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Pyrite wrote:

The character endearment aspect of real-people acting has little effect on me nowadays, and real people romance isn't too enjoyable, but I can appreciate writing and every other aspect of storytelling. I think the emotion you feel from moe is only one emotion out of many that can be stimulated by good media. So I can take a break from one and appreciate the other. Also, I didn't have an average amount of interest in the 3D world even before discovering anime.

To clarify, I was half joking when I said all the anime I watch is because of moe. I watch plenty of anime that doesn't have moe, and Kara no Kyoukai is even my favorite anime ever (blood, gore, mystery, not much moe)

Rather than not feeling emotion from real people, I just don't like real people in general

I could tell that the "moe is life" thing was a joke, but there actually are plenty of people who really refuse to watch things because they lack cute girls. I've seen people who don't read books because of it.

From what I understand, you don't watch old series because they don't have a certain style or moe things (including voices) that you like in anime. Where does real people come into this? Is it because they are more similar to real people? I don't really understand that. If you explained what things about people in general you don't like, and thus don't like in older anime, I'd tell you that whatever part that is can be ignored, and the other aspects can be enjoyed. Even if certain series are old, it doesn't mean that they're the same and have the same character aspects. Because of this, I definitely don't think you should knock classic stuff before you try it.

By the way, to clarify, I never said I don't feel emotion towards real people; I just don't feel very much endearment to them when I'm supposed to in movies and such.

Pyrite wrote:

I could tell that the "moe is life" thing was a joke, but there actually are plenty of people who really refuse to watch things because they lack cute girls. I've seen people who don't read books because of it.

From what I understand, you don't watch old series because they don't have a certain style or moe things (including voices) that you like in anime. Where does real people come into this? Is it because they are more similar to real people? I don't really understand that. If you explained what things about people in general you don't like, and thus don't like in older anime, I'd tell you that whatever part that is can be ignored, and the other aspects can be enjoyed. Even if certain series are old, it doesn't mean that they're the same and have the same character aspects. Because of this, I definitely don't think you should knock classic stuff before you try it.

the real people analogy was for the sake of demonstrating that I don't simply watch anime because it is anime

when I watch anime, I enjoy 4 aspects
1. Plot
2. Art/animation
3. Sound
4. Direction

My enjoyment is based on these four factors, and all four of these factors weigh evenly into the experience. This is the main difference between me and other people I know. Other people consider plot to be more important than other factors, but I don't have any particular love for a good plot.

New animation is, in my opinion, inherently of higher quality than old animation. The colors are more vibrant, the movements are more natural, and the expressions are more detailed. Watching old anime after seeing new anime feels like eating spam after a 5 course dinner with filet mignon.

I am a musician and an audiophile, so sound is very important to me. This is where the 'cute' factor comes in most for me - the voices. Pleasant voices can make a bad anime bearable while bad voices can ruin a good anime for me. Granted, there are some great seiyuu from older anime, but all of my favorite seiyuu have launched their careers within the last 10 or so years

The vast majority of old anime loses out on animation and sound IMO, which results in a situation where the anime has to impress me purely through the plot and direction with the animation and sound dragging it down. No matter how well written something is, 50% is just 50%, a failing grade.

Cowboy Bebop is better animated, has better sound, more detailed art, and a more distinct direction than 99% of today's anime.

Moeshit lacks:
1. Plot
4. Direction
Sound is debatable.

Bebop has a great soundtrack and voice acting, and so do many other old series. I guess you just dig the high pitched little girls, and I do too, but I don't see why it should discourage other things.

Bebop has some high budget animation, and tons of series come out today with QUALITY and still shots everywhere, usually from DEEN, J.C. Staff, and Gonzo.

I disagree about expressions. Older styles have more detailed facial features and mouth animations.
And also, it's not like girly Japanese voices didn't exist 20 years ago. Because they did, and they are in old anime depending on what you watch.

I didn't intend to start some sort of debate on this, but i don't think judging something before experiencing it is reasonable any time for anything. There are plenty of people who have a completely opposite stance than you and refuse to watch newer anime because it lacks depth, and panders to otaku who only care about cuteness, making everyone else sick of chugging down the same shit over and over and over.

Nowadays, a large amount of characters are just hollow shells with pretty faces and hair you can interchange as much as you want. Sometimes you should desire a little more intellectual stimulation.

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Pyrite wrote:

Cowboy Bebop is better animated, has better sound, more detailed art, and a more distinct direction than 99% of today's anime.

Moeshit lacks:
1. Plot
4. Direction
Sound is debatable.

Bebop has a great soundtrack and voice acting, and so do many other old series. I guess you just dig the high pitched little girls, and I do too, but I don't see why it should discourage other things.

Bebop has some high budget animation, and tons of series come out today with QUALITY and still shots everywhere, usually from DEEN, J.C. Staff, and Gonzo.

I disagree about expressions. Older styles have more detailed facial features and mouth animations.
And also, it's not like girly Japanese voices didn't exist 20 years ago. Because they did, and they are in old anime depending on what you watch.

I didn't intend to start some sort of debate on this, but i don't think judging something before experiencing it is reasonable any time for anything. There are plenty of people who have a completely opposite stance than you and refuse to watch newer anime because it lacks depth, and panders to otaku who only care about cuteness, making everyone else sick of chugging down the same shit over and over and over.

Nowadays, a large amount of characters are just hollow shells with pretty faces and hair you can interchange as much as you want. Sometimes you should desire a little more intellectual stimulation.

Yeah that's the good old Type A vs Type B argument.

I am happy to be a Type B. Entertainment is escapism, not philosophy. I am willing to accept the views of type As though, since I can understand their point of view. There are people in this world who see injustice and do something about it, and there are those who just filter it out. Intellectual stimulation from anime is probably the last thing I am looking for.

Also, my 4 criteria are based entirely on my own taste. The quality of direction in my opinion is probably far removed from the opinions of others.

I am not ignoring old anime without basis though, I have watched older stuff and I find the animation stiff. Quantity over quality in my book - Kyoani's gargantuan budget beats out almost everything else in the industry.

I think Bebop has the best animated and choreographed fight scenes out of any anime ever. A single episode likely has more animation than every episode of some of the things you see today combined. Kyoani doesn't get close to accounting for the majority of anime released from 2002 onward.

I don't think anyone should be a "type," which was the point i was trying to make. Don't restrict yourself to one thing, try new things, and have an open mind. I'd make points against both extremes.

Pyrite wrote:

I think Bebop has the best animated and choreographed fight scenes out of any anime ever. A single episode likely has more animation than every episode of some of the things you see today combined. Kyoani doesn't get close to accounting for the majority of anime released from 2002 onward.

I don't think anyone should be a "type," which was the point i was trying to make. Don't restrict yourself to one thing, try new things, and have an open mind. I'd make points against both extremes.

Best choreographed fight scenes goes to Kara no Kyoukai, sorry :)

I can see where you are coming from with your argument that balance is necessary. The philosophy of trying new things is important, but I suppose I see no need to keep an open mind with entertainment. Entertainment is my escape from reality, so I shouldn't have to keep such realistic concepts as widening my horizons when entertaining myself.

Anime to me is a passive activity. My active entertainment is starcraft and my passive entertainment is anime. If an anime requires conscious effort and thought on my part to fully enjoy, I simply drop it. It's like the MTV criticisms - show me shiny and loud things every 5 seconds and I will stay forever.

okay, so basically, it's reasonable because you're alright with being unreasonable. okay then.

Pyrite wrote:

okay, so basically, it's reasonable because you're alright with being unreasonable. okay then.

Yep. It's a happy denial situation. That doesn't mean I cannot understand your arguments though, and even i find my argument rather ridiculous once I step back and look at it.

Everyone is different, and I learned to be tolerant a while ago (whether due to a moralistic urge or just plain apathy)

In general, I do not really enjoy debating or arguing about opinions like this since my own opinion is rather weak. This is an advantage in many cases though, since i can get along with practically anyone I meet. I also have no qualms about lying since my opinions are largely weak to the point that any lie is a slight variation on the truth. A lot of times I think this is a huge flaw about my character, but I simply ignore it and move on with life as per my philosophy on life.

wow rereading this argument made me realize how vain/arrogant I am. Yeah sorry about that, it's something I should probably fix.

don't take it personally, it's not a big deal. you're gonna make me feel bad or something. flower

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Winter 2010 anime list released (super early O.O). Post what you're going to watch

Winter 2010 anime list released (super early O.O). Post what you're going to watch

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